Curse

Moltov joss · Aug 04, 2005, 10:14 AM // 10:14

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Originally Posted by Crimson_1190

Also with poor sale to the vendor, haven't you ever gone to a pawn shop before? Then tell me if the vendors devaluation is so outrageous....They are pawn brokers plain and simple

Ya, I am really getting that feeling of a pawn shop. Pathetic a video game has to be so anal about its prices. I've paid much attention to the economy in gw. I still can't believe my eyes when I see some of the prices like these.

Note: The term "Inflation" whether my useage is incorrect is irrelevant.
I know inflation is a different thing, but its a word that most will understand. Meaning Higher prices (in that sense forgive spelling).

Crimson_1190 · Aug 04, 2005, 10:16 AM // 10:16

See above Ye Oldde Pawn Shoppe quip above. If you go to a pawn shop sometime and parooze the items, some places have almost a 100% mark up from what they bought it for (tech items seem to be 150% +)....I mean you sell your 13-24 chaos axe to the vender for 75 gold, which is reasonable even considering the fact it is covered in blood....

Warlawk · Aug 04, 2005, 10:19 AM // 10:19

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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

Well there are 225 slot possible on every account. So 150 or more is at least 60% of their possible inventory. So that's a lot...

dye is stackable, so if you think theyre devoting 60% of thier inventory to this, youre wrong

PieXags · Aug 04, 2005, 10:21 AM // 10:21

It's just stupid, dye isn't something that should cost you more than a superior monk rune. There needs to be a set price that the price of dye revolves around.

=HT=Ingram · Aug 04, 2005, 10:24 AM // 10:24

seriously? wow. I never knew that. lol I always mixed them when I tried to stack em in the past. but that was a while ago. like I said I havent done it in quite some time... But I may have been mistaken, or they changed it in a recent update...

Yep sure are. wow. I guess I always picked them up and just put them in storage till later and never tried to stack them again. lol Thats a real d'oh moment... I'm not even blonde.

I do know that periodically Arenanet injects some into the traders if the price gets too high or if the item vanishes from the trader offerings for a long time. They do it with runes too. I was lucky to be on the other night when the superior vigor came on when they just injected a bunch. it jumped from 60k to 30k in a few secs. And may of us jumped on that opportunity. I just resold one of them to the NPC just now for 60K so I recouped my purchase right there... I used the other one. I was getting an extra for someone else, but he got one same time I did for himself...

Crimson_1190 · Aug 04, 2005, 10:25 AM // 10:25

naw, i like the concept of a free market....whether it truly is or not people will debate, but i think this idea is superior to pricing ranges.

ShinJin Kahn · Aug 04, 2005, 10:43 AM // 10:43

Venders are not pawn shops, they're just screwed, I sold a sup prot rune to vender for 9k yesterday when vender was selling for only 10.5k

RagingTowers · Aug 04, 2005, 11:02 AM // 11:02

Super Noob here!

Whats so special about Black Dye anyway? All it does is change the color of armor and stuff. It doesnt add any status effects does it?

I dont think it does. But i guess its just super rare. If the item drop rate was changed then the price would probably drop.

More people having it, less people scalping it

ShinJin Kahn · Aug 04, 2005, 11:12 AM // 11:12

AHHHH omg, i just checked the rune prices and vender is selling sup monk runes for no less then 22k!!!!!!!!, i can't even imagine the buy price. i should have waited.

Divinitys Creature · Aug 04, 2005, 11:21 AM // 11:21

Isn't it crazy when for two pots of black ink you can buy a whole Guild Hall on a PRIVATE ISLAND! o.0

Rulke · Aug 04, 2005, 11:59 AM // 11:59

Solution to the pricing chaos: Allow them to be made by crafters. Hidden ones. For a price of a few hundred for most, five hundred for silver and a few k for black, plus ingredients. Make the crafters fairly hard to find, and with slightly randomized locations (always be present in the area, but in one of 5 or 6 places, so it's hard to find). Limit the buy prices at the dye traders to go to a minimum of what it is required to craft them, plus about half that value, so people will still sell to them.

Now, people will sell these for a reasonable amount of mark-up, or to the trader for the enforced miunimum level of mark-up. There will be a lot of these things going around, so the price will drop to somewhere between the minimum buy price of the trader, and the corresponding minimum sell price of the trader. The craft price and enforced minimum buy prices keeps the amount people will sell them for high enough for people to turn a profit, but low enough for people to buy them.

Or they can explore and find the crafters themselves.

Possibly remove the crafters from an area (or all areas) for a person, if they run into the area, found the crafter, left the area, then goes to a materials person, then runs into the area and to the crafter again lots of times, to stop people farming these guys too much. Reinstate them every few hours/days/when they have stopped running round the areas long enough.

Sagius Truthbarron · Aug 04, 2005, 12:02 PM // 12:02

Well, atleast if I get a black dye now I can ALMOST pay for a superior smiting rune.

Crimson_1190 · Aug 04, 2005, 12:12 PM // 12:12

crafter hours.....i only craft between the hours of blah-blarg.... "im on my coffee break come back later"

I also think that some of the crafting prices should be changed to reflect different quantities. Charcoal should not be as expensive as it is, it makes steel more expensive than buying. I just mean it would be better (note i didnt say Should) if it was around the price of making parchment. crafters for different weapons would be quite nice....but this is all pie in the sky.

Makkert · Aug 04, 2005, 01:14 PM // 13:14

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Originally Posted by Divinitys Creature

Isn't it crazy when for two pots of black ink you can buy a whole Guild Hall on a PRIVATE ISLAND! o.0

Now, if only that private island could be mined for black ink....

asdar · Aug 04, 2005, 01:52 PM // 13:52

Quit complaining so much. It's perfect the way it is.

GW has done things exactly right in this game. Stats sell low, looks sell high. That's the way it should be.

Any character in the game that gets through the missions and doing just the skill quests should be able to buy the best stat armor in the game.

That's perfect for casual and hard core players alike. If you want to look good then you have to work for the looks, but if you're a casual player you have the stats to be equal and the looks will come. You're not at a disadvantage in any way while you play.

Edit: Well perfect as far as cosmetic costs vs stat costs for PvE. I think they have a few issues they could work on for other things.

Mr. Matt · Aug 04, 2005, 01:54 PM // 13:54

Grr. I was going to buy some vials of black dye while it was just above 5k a couple of days ago. But as per usual, I considered the risks rather than the profits, and now I'm just going to have to break some stuff to stop myself from shouting...

Algren Cole · Aug 04, 2005, 01:56 PM // 13:56

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Originally Posted by Mr. Matt

Grr. I was going to buy some vials of black dye while it was just above 5k a couple of days ago. But as per usual, I considered the risks rather than the profits, and now I'm just going to have to break some stuff to stop myself from shouting...

lol....gotta take that risk. I'm still sitting on 58 vials of silver I bought at 379 each...when silver hits 1.5 plat like it was a few days ago...I'm making bank

Mr. Matt · Aug 04, 2005, 02:08 PM // 14:08

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

lol....gotta take that risk. I'm still sitting on 58 vials of silver I bought at 379 each...when silver hits 1.5 plat like it was a few days ago...I'm making bank

Yeah. And knowing my luck, black dye'll never drop down in price again...

...but if it ever does, my entire inventory is going to be full of the stuff within a minute

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Of course, if I do that, ANet will end up adjusting it so that it can never go higher than 50g or something like that. Just to spite me.

Winds of Blood · Aug 04, 2005, 03:15 PM // 15:15

Black Dye is more of a luxury, not a damn necessity.

It is meant to look expensive, and looks really nice on the 75k armor. If it went up to 100k , I'd Love it.

Sofonisba · Aug 04, 2005, 04:44 PM // 16:44

I know I'm an online gaming noob, and an econ noob as well, but is there any reason why there can't be price fixing on everything? Or is that just one element of "fun" people expect from these games? I don't mean to criticize the development at all, I'm just wondering.

I mean, it's not like a real-world economy at all, in that no one pays taxes or a monthly mortgage payment on the hall, or subsidize poorer players with their own farming income. Why not just fix all prices?

Let the merchant buy at half the sale cost, and players have the opportunity to negotiate within that window if they wish. Why need there be a limited supply of anything--gold, mods, dyes--that cause everyone to complain about nerfing?

Anyway, just wondering, not (really) complaining.